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from 2001_2002 tests


The sum of the positive intgers less than 28 & relatively prime to 28 is ____


How many lines in a plane are determined by 5 points, no 3 of which are collinear?



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I need to take a look for your first question. Finding difference between the sum of integers and integral divisors is just a bit too complicated for NS, it seems...


AHHHHHH! stupid! stupid me! OK, I'll give you a clue:


28 is a PERFECT #!!!


(Calming down)As for the second one, I'll give you another clue:


TRIANGULAR #!!


Draw each scenario yourself, and find the connection.


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Notice how if you list out the numbers that are relatively prime (numbers that share a GCD of 1 with the number in question) they come out in pairs that add up to the number itself. To do this problem quickly, we must use the number sene method we've learned to find how many numbers are relatively prime to the number. To do that, take the prime factorization of the number in exponent form. First, subtract one from the exponents of each factor, and multiplu them together. Next, subtract one from the factors themselves, and multiply them together. Take the two results you worked out and multiply those together. The result is the number of terms that are less than the number and relatively prime to the number. If you want to find the sum of this sequence, divide the number of reletively prime numbers by two and multiply that by the original number. BAM!


ex. What is the sum of the numbers less than and relatively prime to 40?


40 = 2^3 * 5 (prime factorization)


2^(3-1) = 4, 5^(1-1) = 4*1 = 4 (Step 1 result)


2 - 1 = 1, and 5 - 1 = 4. 4*1 = 4 (Step 2 result)


The number of relatively prime numbers is 4*4 = 16.


The sum = 16/2*40 = 320.


On the other one, I think its the same as finding the number of diagonals in a pentagon. You can find that by adding 1+2+3....+S-1, where S is the number of sides in the polygon. In this case, 1+2+3+4 = 5.


Derived, the formula = (S-1)(S-1+1)/2 = S(S-1)/2.


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thanks and "1+2+3+4 = 5" - huh



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Doh! 10.


im an idiot.


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Great insight on that Zack. I learned something, thanks a lot.


Now that I look at it, my first clue is completely wrong, too.


And since no respond came after my second clue, I'll assume that the shortcut is comprehended.


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yeah, Zack said s(s-1)/2 is the formula which is the (s-1)th triangular number so i have it figured out now



-- Edited by bradp at 15:45, 2006-06-14

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bumping this post for Sam


Zack described a method for the question about the sum of the numbers that are relatively prime to a number which you posed in another thread.


Also going off what Zack said, I think this works for number of lines determined by n points no 3 of which are collinear


It would be all the diagonals of an n-gon plus the n sides of that n-gon


so: Number of diagonals of n-gon: n(n-3)/2 = (n^2 - 3n)/2 ,  Number of sides = n


(n^2-3n) / 2 + n = (n^2-3n) /2  + 2n/2 = (n^2 - 3n + 2n) / 2 = (n^2 - n) / 2 = n(n-1)/2   There it is algebraically worked. If 3 are collinear, there would be 2 less than that because


a) a line cannot be drawn between the two endpoints of the segment formed by the 3 collinear points.


b) the two lines connecting those 3 points if they were not collinear would then be 1 line when they are collinear


I hope that's right



-- Edited by bradp at 21:01, 2006-12-31

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It amazes me that you can actually pinpoint a post more than sixth months ago.


Yeah, I never did have that shortcut solid in my head, now I hope it has made deep enough an impression. Also thanks for refreshing the 3-pt-noncollinear one.


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Thinking about Brad's comments on 3-non-collinear, here's another more algebraic and straightforward perspective.


Brad mentioned that the number of lines drawn should be  #ofDistinctDiagonals+sides. and that results in n(n-1)/2.


Algebraically, it is simply a process of picking 2 out of n where order matters. Therefore 2Cn = n(n-1)/2 would suffice.


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